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JonM
 
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  Member No: #211
Joined: Apr 06 2007Location: Redditch, Worcestershire |
Enquired recently regarding a C4 Turbo Conversion Company: DP Engineering in the Netherlands email:  I quote... Hello Jon, Let me start with thanking you for your interest in our products & services! Well, we never tried fitting our parts in the C4 chassis… but think there is a good chance our 206 pars for the RC engine will fit. If you happen to know that the firewall part of the C4 is similar to the 206 & the brake booster is located in the same spot, then the parts will fit your engine & sending parts out is an option. In any case it is possible to have a complete conversion performed in our workshop, we can always make the parts to fit. Here our standard email for 206 RC drivers. What exact parts you need depend on the power level you want to reach. A complete stock engine (with only a decompression package to lower the cr-ratio) can reliably make around 290 - 300 hp on 0.7 bar of boost pressure. This is the most economic power to investment performance level. Parts we can offer to reach 280 - 300 hp and around 380 nm (fuel & management parts not included, best to get those locally for on-site support when needed) Part: # DP P/N: Part: Price: [ex Vat / incl VAT] 1 1 201005 EW 16v Turbo Package €2.249,00 €2.676,31 2 1 201115 EW 16v Package stainless manifold €184,28 €219,29 3 1 201102 Turbo upgrade to Garrett GT28RS €148,99 €177,29 (GT2860RS) BB turbocharger, T2 Turbine a/r .86, internal WG & actuator 4 1 120302 Downpipe option; flange connections €38,53 €45,85 (incl extra weld flange, gasket & fasteners) 5 1 600103 Heat Wrap 50mm x 15 metres €45,82 €54,52 6 1 600402 Thermo Sleeving 1 metre x 20mm ID €15,80 €18,80 7 1 600403 Thermo Sleeving 1 metre x 30mm ID €18,76 €22,33 8 1 600404 Thermo Sleeving 1 metre x 50mm ID €20,69 €24,62 9 1 600111 Stainless Steel Ties - Pack of 10 €16,70 €19,88 10 1 801062 TiAL Blow Off Valve 50mm €182,13 €216,74 [Al or Steel Weld Flange included] 11 1 160216 Decompression package €203,36 €241,99 EW10J4 (1997cc 16v) 9.2 : 1 12 1 500105 Intercooler Peugeot 206, 60 pipe, €576,45 €685,98 core 550x250x50 1 row, size 690x250x60 mm 13 1 280002 Spal high output slim fan 382x350x52 €82,00 €97,58 14 1 501108 Peugeot 206 RC, GT28RS/GT2871R €252,35 €300,30 aluminum charge piping incl Silicone hoses & ancillaries 15 1 0 Afhalen - Weight 42,3 kg € 0,00 € 0,00 TOTAL €4.034,85 / €4.801,47 As with everything, the further you want to stretch the power output of the engine the more modifications need to be made. If you have different power requirements please inform about the possibilities & parts required. The parts above are meant to be used with the stick & rod gear change mechanism of 206 GTi, not the cable shift from the RC. It is however possible to retain the cable shift mechanism but some modifications are needed. However we suggest swapping to the stick & rod mechanism since this system can be easily swapped & is more reliable to use. (Parts can be bought new from us or any Peugeot / Citroen dealer for 182,- euro excl. VAT) Of course it is also possible to have a complete conversion performed by us in our workshop, again inform about prices. If you have any other questions about the parts or you want to order something, don’t hesitate to contact us. Best regards, Pieter Oonincx DP-Engineering, St. Teunismolenweg 50e, 6534 AG, Nijmegen, The Netherlands Tel. +31 (0)24 6634060 / Fax 6630657 / / - Click Here - Wish I had the money! Jon |
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wozza
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Joined: Aug 12 2006Location: Manchester |
So am I at that price. Uprated internals and hello 400+hp. Kit in that form should be good enough for a reliable 260 - 290hp Have just purchased a nice new big brake kit ready for the next lot of engine mods too. 10 pot Tarox 330mm kit coming my way in the next couple weeks. |
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FabianVTS
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Don't know if 400+ hp is possible, but there is one 206 RC in the Netherlands (also on the DP site) with 375 hp. | ||
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wozza
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Joined: Aug 12 2006Location: Manchester |
They have built a 400+hp one already the ITB turbo. Would be horrible to drive but 400hp isn't difficult with the right turbo. However I can't imagine the car would he happy with it. Think 300 is a sensible level. | ||
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JonM
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Member No: #211
Joined: Apr 06 2007Location: Redditch, Worcestershire |
300 is more tahn enough if using the car on a daily basis track day beast maybe more Reliabilty is another issue - 300 bhp should be fine |
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FabianVTS
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How is the gearbox doing it with 300hp? Think you also need to have an uprated clutch? And how about the internals? Are they strong enough? |
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Gooders
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  Member No: #8352
Joined: Mar 20 2009Location: East Yorks |
Wozza wrote ... 10 pot Tarox 330mm kit coming my way in the next couple weeks. You've got to show me them when you fit them 
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wozza
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Member No: #2
Joined: Aug 12 2006Location: Manchester |
Will be fitting them as soon as I get them back from the anodisers and rebuild them. Hoping for the weekend. Also got couple other bits to do on the car at the same time. I got them 2nd hand for £500 so decided to recondition and rebuild them. They are now back to there standard hard grey anodized look, rather than kawasaki green which is how I picked them up. Look rather nice in the grey to be honest. However I want something a bit more yellowish like the car. Can see them below though. 
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The Gunslinger
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Joined: Nov 10 2007Location: Brisbane |
My supercharger project has some new life breathed into it, with the acquisition of a TiG welder. So far the most expensive parts stand to be the water-air intercooler (over engineering for 400hp if I ever go ahead with it, and also space saving versus an air-air setup), and the supercharger itself. The manifold will be custom-made with the water core inside. So far the only problems are income (looong story), and finding someone to remap the damn thing. No good spending several $k on a car that can't use it. Estimates have shown that the engine can safely withstand 7psi of boost pressure. Anything higher requires the 9.2:1 decompression kit. At that pressure with good tuning, 250hp can be reasonably expected. 300 may be possible with a more aggressive tune and a cam optimized for forced induction. About 12psi would be needed to achieve 400hp. Uprated injectors and fuel pump are needed for any kind of forced induction. The stock C4 clutch is effectively cheese and will no doubt throw a wobbly from anything in excess of 230hp; the gearbox is an unknown factor. Aftermarket clutches for the 206 GTi will fit, and are more suited to the job. Expect about $1000-1500. I was quoted $1600 fitted for an aftermarket 206 clutch before my ^%&$# Citroen dealership shanghaied me into working with them (long story short, they saw necessary to take out the gearbox to confirm it was the clutch; ABS did so without going near the 'box. They then also wanted $380 in labor charges, DESPITE me specifically telling them to check with me before going ahead with anything that would cost money). Citroen agreed to drop the price to $1600 (inclusive of the aforementioned $380), but I got a poorer clutch out of the deal, and Citroen Albion earned themselves a very vocal enemy. |
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Ham
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  Member No: #69
Joined: Jan 10 2007Location: Derby, England |
welcome back Ryan! | ||
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wozza
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Member No: #2
Joined: Aug 12 2006Location: Manchester |
Remember it isn't hp that kills gearboxes but torque. The gearbox in the 180 is the BE4 box. They are used in the 1.6 HDI's which reach over 200ft lbs with a remap. Which is around 60 ft lbs more than the 180 makes. So with a mild 250hp tune might find you are ok. Might even be fine with the clutch too for the same reason. The BE4's have been used in lots of high hp cars not too much to worry about. |
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The Gunslinger
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Joined: Nov 10 2007Location: Brisbane |
Thanks Wozza, that's reassuring. It's been on my mind how I can run a proper bypass on the supercharger. The SC14 has an electric clutch on the pulley to lower the load on the car's starter motor. With some relays you can make this into a 'go fast button' which I want to do (with the button mounted Mad Max style on the gearstick). The bypass isn't a big deal, and in theory will allow me to run somewhat economic if I don't need a full 250hp. What gave me pause were the fuel maps. The engine wouldn't be adaptive enough to cope with switching from forced induction to natural aspiration, and would run crazy rich when the supercharger is disengaged. Some additional harware would potentially solve this, but it's a [%*^#@!] shoot getting it to play nice with the Citroen ECU. Then it hit me. The VTS already has two fuel maps that it toggles between, for lower and higher quality fuels. What I need to now figure out is which sensors dictate which fuel map the engine uses, and whether I can remove these and replace them with relays and a chipset that just inputs values the ECU 'wants' to hear to toggle between fuel maps. Basically when I disengage the supercharger, the chip would input a false 'low quality fuel' reading and the ECU will switch to the naturally aspirated map. This may not be such a bad idea as the forced induction may cause all kinds of issues with these same sensors, so I may remove the sensors altogether and toggle the maps by using preset sensor readings. |
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wozza
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Member No: #2
Joined: Aug 12 2006Location: Manchester |
Why don't you just run a piggy back ECU that manages the fuel only? Been done on other cars before. There are also aftermarket ECU's which can do multiple maps and will integrate fully with the C4's systems. Just have to dig around a bit. |
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wozza
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Member No: #2
Joined: Aug 12 2006Location: Manchester |
Just thought I would update this. Thought you might be interested Ryan.  Lysholm twin screw in a 206 180. Done by ecosse overhere output is around 300hp. Also the 206 guys some of them are currently in the process of working out a Rotrex supercharger conversion. Should have all the bases covered then. Turbo, centrifugal and positive displacement blowers. So should be easy enough to find out what works best. Part of me is thinking the rotrex will be the most civilised conversion though. Should drive very similar to standard just with a lot more oomph. Also the one I am most interested in. Looks like someone is going to speak to TTS performance in a bit here who do make kits for some cars and bikes already. Quite cheap prices as well. Their Civic Type R conversion is less than £2900 + install and mapping costs. Just looked back where did you get your 12psi for 400hp from. The maths just don't add up. Have to think the engine as standard makes a little under 180hp at standard normal atmosphere pressure which is 14.7 PSI. Adding 12 PSI to that and accounting for parasitic loss will not get you 400hp. Cams won't alter power output much really either. The cam form the 2.0 138 is actually more charger friendly allows the torque and power to come in earlier down the rev range. 180 cam is obviously a lot peakier as it is quite a bit wilder. hence the VVT we have in the first place to make it drive able low down. |
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Ham
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Member No: #69
Joined: Jan 10 2007Location: Derby, England |
Some more Tom, does the 206 180 gti have a cable throttle?   |
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