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Thu Aug 15 2019, 02:05am
Member No: #54421
Joined: Aug 15 2019
Location: Lancashire
Hi Folks,

I'm a new member though read the forums on and off. I've owned a 2013 DS4 from new and one of the main reasons I've not joined the site is because I haven't needed to. It's probably been the most reliable car I've ever owned.

Which leads me to my question...

The car is a 1.6 eHDi Airdream with the EGS6 transmission. Currently coming up for 135,000 miles on the clock. It's been fairly well looked after, dealer servicing during the warranty period then independents afterwards. Only thing needed more than general consumables has been new front discs at the last MOT.

What sort of lifespan do these cars have? I'd never expected to keep it past the three year finance period but six years on I still have it. First Citroen I'd owned and I'd never really looked at them as a super-high miler in the way that some other cars have a reputation for. I took my Isuzu pickup to 190,000 without a squeak, I had a Mitsubishi that did quarter of a million and a 92 Jeep Cherokee that was well over 200k when I sold it.

The DS4 is still in OK shape but not the sort of shape that my previous high milers had been in. There are squeaks and bumps (I think a rear bearing may be on its way out) and the transmission is becoming a bit juddery but a good thrash now and again seems to help with that.

My big worry is the EGS6. From what I've seen, that's a when and not if issue for when it goes. At the minute it feels like a manual driven by a learner sometimes from a start, it lurches a bit when it reaches the higher end of gears and definitely noticeably rougher when cold.

I've seen my car depreciate from 23k on the forecourt to £2k now (I knew this so not complaining, just making observation) so considering changing it whilst still residual value in it. On the other hand, do I just run it til it dies? It's getting to the point where I feel like there are going to be big bills. It could probably do with the timing belt doing again soon. There's probably a bit of wear and tear on the suspension. Engine seems solid, though.

For information, I do about 20k miles a year, usually long motorway journey at the weekends and a mix of motorway and minor roads on a 15 miles commute each way daily. I'm too cheap to burn fuel thrashing it so I usually sit at 65 with cruise on for long trips but occasionally like to put my foot down (but very occasionally). So really not had a hard life.

Any advice appreciated.


Thu Aug 15 2019, 10:36am

Member No: #82
Joined: Jan 22 2007
Location: Hoylake
If you adhere to the service schedule, your car should be good for over 200,000 miles. Trouble is, some of the service items are expensive, e.g. cam belt, DPF refresh, new brakes, &c.
Thu Aug 15 2019, 11:16am

Member No: #19238
Joined: Apr 12 2011
Location: Cambridgeshire
Your comment on ‘when not if’ for the EGS box doesn’t seem to accord with peoples experiences - yes they do have known weakness but there are plenty of high milers out there that are coping very well indeed. Clutch calibration or oven the clutch needing replacing aren’t a surprise at that mileage, the timing belt is every 10 years or 120k (I think) so you should be okay for a while if you’ve had it done. You’re clearly not going to get huge value from the investment every time you repair it but if you are happy with the car I’d keep it unless it becomes uneconomic.

My A2 is about to have a large service and the 5-yearly Cambelt and water pump change for the eye watering sum of £818, it’s probably barely worth twice that but I’ve owned it 15 years and still like driving it plus one day I’m hoping it will appreciate as a modern classic! The work is done by Audi still but I get 5 years free MOT if they do the belt so that’s worth £250.

There will come the point when your DS4 becomes bereft of value but it doesn’t sound like that’s now - spend a few quid on it.
Thu Aug 15 2019, 01:12pm
Member No: #46470
Joined: Oct 11 2016
Location: Cambridge
Lancashire, so well away from the London ULEZ but its sure to arrive in other cities. Your E-Hdi is Euro 5 compliant not Euro 6 which is the standard for entering the London ULEZ without paying up. c£12 a go from memory.

If you are happy with it and its not grumbling I would be tempted to hang on and see what happens to emission regulation generally and the North West in particular. At worst you lose £2k, a new car of similar standard will depreciate three times that in a year, a nearly new will still lose about £2k a year so after a year you will be winning.

But that's all logical. Car buying is often heart over head, only you know what you want.

Thu Aug 15 2019, 04:18pm
Member No: #54421
Joined: Aug 15 2019
Location: Lancashire
Thanks for the replies. Interesting points. I live in a rural area and rarely go into either Manchester or Liverpool by car, always by train, so not too bothered about charging. £30 a year tax is nice but as mentioned who knows what will happen with that as the campaign against diesel continues.

I've run a lot of cars to high miles (two Subarus, an Isuzu, a Mitsu and a Jeep before Chrysler destroyed the brand) but they were all makes known for not being hurt by miles. At 140k they didn't noticeably feel or sound any different to 90k. I can't say that for my DS4, as much as I like it. There is a noticeable ageing process which doesn't fill me with confidence.

I'll have to take your word for the reliability of the EGS, I don't know much about it. To be fair, people complain about problems on the internet, nobody ever writes about how trouble free things are so I appreciate it's a biased view that you get from reading horror stories. But again, it feels like it's getting old. Not seen many high milers on Autotrader but I suppose the DS4 wasn't a huge seller.

Thanks for the replies. My gut feeling is to use it as a trade before it becomes a money pit and still has some residual value but there is always the unknown of a new car. Ta!
Sat Aug 17 2019, 09:30am
Member No: #48843
Joined: Jul 06 2017
Location: Scotland
I've got a 2.0 HDI 6 speed manual, as it still feels fine, and still quick. My plan is to run it until it dies - hopefully a good few years away, unless diesel get so expensive I'd be cheaper with a petrol.
Sat Aug 17 2019, 03:35pm
Member No: #16472
Joined: Nov 21 2010
Location: North Norfolk UK
I'm with Vexorg - I have a 2.0hdi Eat6 DS4 with only 32k at the moment - but - as I can't see any car better than it I intend to run it until it will run no longer. My last car - 2007 C4 1.6hdi EGS - is now my sons car and is getting closer to the mileage covered to go to the moon each day
(yes its an EGS and it is still going)

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