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Richard_C   
Fri Feb 09 2018, 10:20am
Member No: #46470
Joined: Oct 11 2016
Location: Cambridge
We are getting close to swapping out family car #3 for a year old Mk 3 C3 puretech 110 EAT Auto, and I know that powertrain is also installed in 130bhp guise C4 Picassos which some of you might own.

Any comments on the engine/gearbox or new shape C3s generally would be welcome.


Driving preferences = quiet comfort and fast cruising, not hammering around bends for the joy of it. We already have a Mk 2 C3 with a non turbo 82 1.2 engine in the family, and the engine is impressive for a little 3 pot - more torque than I would have expected.

3 cars sound extravagant but we live far far away from decent public transport and the children are no longer children .....I feel like a fleet manager some days.
FrankBullitt   
Fri Feb 09 2018, 01:15pm

Member No: #19238
Joined: Apr 12 2011
Location: Cambridgeshire
We had a courtesy C3 82 Puretech whilst the DS4 was having it’s head gasket replaced, which took 4 weeks. We all really liked it, it really is a relaxing and comfortable car with excellent ergonomics and fantastic ride. I wasn’t that impressed with the engine and felt it was gutless but your obviously looking at the 110. This was a Flair model and came well specified, it had the red highlights on the interior which lifted it nicely.

We used the car to travel to the North East (200 miles each way) and it was perfectly adept once wound up to 70mph!
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Richard_C   
Fri Feb 09 2018, 03:46pm
Member No: #46470
Joined: Oct 11 2016
Location: Cambridge
Thanks good to hear that its comfortable and relaxing for long trips. Ours tend to be very local or very long, thought about Fiesta, excellent in many ways but ubiquitous. C3 Mk 3 is distinctive love or hate.

We are pretty happy with the 82 in the Mk2, flexible enough but you sometimes need to drop a gear to recover to motorway speeds. If you get one again, see what happens at high speed. We ended up in Cumbria last Spring with the C3 for various reasons. 4 adult sized people and a full boot, bowling along on M6 and I wanted to get past a bunch of traffic - as soon as it got above 4500 in 5th all the secondary vibrations went away and it flew - sustained high speed for mile after mile.

Anyway, have a couple on shortlist so will make up our minds early next week.

How can it take 4 weeks to do a head gasket? I could do my Hillman Hunter in 90 minutes in the street in winter as long as I had help to lift it all off the studs and lift it back on (manifolds, carbs and all, don't undo more than you have to).

Thinking about it, its ages since I heard of anybody having a head gasket problem. Back in student days my mate had a 100E side valve, did gasket twice and then found a small crack in head. So he made a sandwich: araldite, gasket, araldite, torqued it all up, got it running and added the essential accessory, handwritten sign "For sale £42 10/-" a week later, problem gone.

FrankBullitt   
Sat Feb 10 2018, 03:28am

Member No: #19238
Joined: Apr 12 2011
Location: Cambridgeshire
It’s still not clear to me whether there was a coolant issue which led to the head gasket going or it failing first - I have subsequently heard that our 2.0HDi ‘blue’ May not be the only one that’s suffered - have a look at the last post I made in the following thread for more information;

- Click Here -

The C3 is a nice little car, I’d happily own one with a bit of power - I did wonder at first if it was the 68bhp version but it was definitely a Flair and they don’t do that engine with this model. I have also driven a 208 with the 82bhp engine and don’t remember it being quite so glacial so perhaps the C3 is a bit of a chunkster or this one was just a bit off.
Richard_C   
Fri Apr 27 2018, 11:45am
Member No: #46470
Joined: Oct 11 2016
Location: Cambridge
Bought the C3 - Puretech 110 EAT Flair, 9 months old with 500 miles on the clock for very substantially less than a new one. It was a motability return so some poor soul either became too ill to drive it or lost their benefit, but if we hadn't bought is someone else would have a day or two later. Put it in the garage for a month while we went to NZ for a holiday, got back and now put 2500 miles on it with a few long trips.

As you (FrankBullitt) said its quiet and comfortable, very pleased with it. In fact its spectacularly quiet for the size of car. If we didn't need the occasional luggage capacity of the Picasso for moving offspring and musical instruments I would be very happy to have a pair of them as our only cars.

Fuel consumption is low 40's, might get better with age. Our 82 bhp manual Mk 2 one was high 40's. If you use manual shift it can be made to hurry along very quickly. A bit 'floaty' but I would rather have that than the sort of suspension that makes all your fillings fall out every time you run over a cats eye.

EAT is infinitely better than EGS which I have driven a bit but never owned. So good that my next car will be auto as well. We use to run big chunky autos, never a small one, but its been a good few years.

Android Auto is a treat, no more wrestling with Citroen map updates and traffic data is a lot better than the I have on the pre facelift Picasso. Data usage is minimal as long as you don't use satellite view, especially if you put your destination in while you are on home wifi and tell google maps to download the route. Music needed some thinking about, AA is playlist driven but once you have twigged that you simply select an album on google play, add it to playlist, create a new playlist with same name as the album and its all available from the touchscreen. As long as a car has android auto I will never pay for in car Satnav again.

Only worry is service support. The biggest local dealer in Cambridgeshire has pulled the plug on the repair side as well as the sales dealership, despite saying they would continue with service. That leaves only Duxford Motors as authorized service agents, excellent but swamped with work and 2-4 week waits so lets hope for no major VOR issues. Duxford was bought by EMG, as long as the current staff stay they will be alright but I'm not sure I would choose to do business with EMG otherwise. If Duxford stops being a Citroen repairer that means a very long trip for any service or recall/warranty work.

And finally, after many years, we are a 2 car family again (down from 3, our daughter now has the 3 year old C3 where she lives 'up north'). Leaves a space in the garage for something small, useless and interesting though .... Ami 8, Mehari?

FrankBullitt   
Sat Apr 28 2018, 11:18am

Member No: #19238
Joined: Apr 12 2011
Location: Cambridgeshire
Pleased to hear you are happy with it, I’ve no doubt the 110 EAT6 is a lovely combination to drive. They are not ‘sporty’ but frankly, neither are lost people!

I know what you mean about dealers, the guys at Duxford in the aftersales team are great but they’ve mentioned before about struggling when the workload and the closure of the dealership on Letchworth had impacted on them with long waits for bookings - the slow disappearance of dealers in this part of the world is a worry especially as I have previous negative experience of EMG. There is always Purser and Luxford, I don’t know what they are like but they seem to be a small dealership
Richard_C   
Tue May 01 2018, 03:48am
Member No: #46470
Joined: Oct 11 2016
Location: Cambridge
Thanks Frank, will look at Purser & Luxford if I get stuck. Didn't know about them. I bough a car from Worleys in High Wycombe, a similar small/midsized dealership but it's a long way. Thinking of booking the Pic in to Duxford for its October service soon to guarantee a slot .

The Letchworth pressure has been added to significantly by the Marshalls closure - apparently they didn't tell customers in advance, having said they would continue as Citroen service agents, and were just telling people who phoned to book work that they should call Duxford. The Marshalls website says they can do "genuine Citroen" stuff via their Peugeot service bit, so wonder whats going on.

We bought the C3 from Duxford, now EMG. I have bought several cars old and new from them and they know me, usually deal with same person. Process is .... yes like it, how much to change .... bit of a haggle .... OK, £250 deposit on card and pay/pick it up on xxxx. He says "you know I have to tell you about GAAP insurance....yes, you know I will say no .....", all done.

In modern EMG days the sale agreement comes not from the sale person but the EMG installed sales director. When it arrived it was full of wrong numbers, wrong sums and add ins like insurance, a 'delivery pack' for £50 or so - gift wrap with bow?. I did get it all back to the agreed total, I don't really care how they balance new price vs trade in as long as the total is right, I think the salesperson was a bit embarrassed and I think the EMG guy was trying it on. Also I am used to paying the balance on the day by debit card, EMG want a BACS transfer in advance.

So - still happy with Duxford as long as the current staff are still around, would probably avoid EMG otherwise - but maybe they are all like that these days?

My car history is Citroen and SAAB, might have to follow you to VAG next time round.
 

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