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trev h
 
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Might be a feature if you want to use it as a getaway car, can't have it not starting when you want a quick getaway from the bank, nothing more frustrating than the gang jumping in & car wont start. LOL | ||||
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Well there's an ECO off button to do that... 
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The hot weather (what hot weather I hear some ask), the one that was here Sunday and Monday got me to do some driving in the hot. So when the engine stops all I can say is I am not sure the A/C is on or off because thanks to satnav traffic avoidance, we didn't get stuck in queues coming back from the beach. However, leaving the office yesterday, the engine didn't want to stop in the usual queue I hit 2 mins down the road at the end of the estate, the ECO light was flashing and I guess this is to do with the A/C being full on to fight the 30 degrees air and the oven like sensation inside the car when just started. At the next queue though, the start stop system was back and I didn't notice the air coming from the vent getting hotter, but the stops in fairness were less than 1 minute each. |
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sjamais
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08 July 2011 Second refuelling, I managed 523 miles with 48 litres (based on filling to first click on petrol pump), so 49.46 mpg calculated, the trip computer said 50.3, pretty close. On my Xsara, the trip computer was usually 5-8 mpg optimistic. This was on almost 100% fens back roads commuting, trip computer said 30 mph average. Same usage on the Xsara was getting me 54-57 real mpg, I guess paying for the rather large difference of weight between the two cars. I have not had a new car for some years, do people see fuel consumption getting better as the car "beds in"? |
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FrankBullitt
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sjamais wrote ... I guess paying for the rather large difference of weight between the two cars. I have not had a new car for some years, do people see fuel consumption getting better as the car "beds in"? The weight will undoubtably be an issue - we are seeing about 43mpg in normal running and 49mpg on a longer run which considering the weight of the Picasso is not bad at all, especially as our A2 FSI used Super Unleaded only and managed 38mpg on a tank at best! Diesels do take a while to come to their best. I had a Punto JTD that really only gave me 57mpg once I'd gone through 30K, the A2 TDI we still own was probably giving me a consistant 55mpg at 20K. On a tight engine the economy you are getting is exceptional - are you using the stop-start much in the East Anglain Bad Lands - there's nothing to stop for out there! One thing I've noticed on ours when cruising is that 60mph gives excellent mpg, 70 gives decent mpg and any more than that and it starts to drop notably - being a 5 speed manual I suspect the EGS does slightly better at those speeds (ours is on approx 2500rpm at 70 in 5th). If most of your open-road cruising is at 50-60mph then I suspect you'll easily get to mid 50's with stop-start kicking in on the urban (as far as can be in fenland!) crawl! |
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Thanks ! We have a real test coming up, to the south of the French Alps for the holiday, so quite a stretch or 80mph motorway cruising, ending with mountain roads. On that stretch, in the summer, fully loaded, the Xsara was getting us 47mpg, so I hope the 6th gear will pay here, rev counter says 2000 at 70-75, and of course in mind blowing near silence! Start stop gives be about 1 min of engine off per 30 min drive on the commute, but it doesn't take much of a holdup to get more like 4-5 mins out of it, but in this case the commute time is more like 45 mins for a mere 20 miles... who says the fens aren't busy...
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BigJohnD
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sjamais wrote ... Thanks ! We have a real test coming up, to the south of the French Alps for the holiday, so quite a stretch or 80mph motorway cruising, ending with mountain roads. On that stretch, in the summer, fully loaded, the Xsara was getting us 47mpg, so I hope the 6th gear will pay here, rev counter says 2000 at 70-75, and of course in mind blowing near silence! Lovely - the C4's designed to cruise at 130km/h! In case I'm not talking to a hardened traveller in France, avoid travelling on the last weekend in July/first weekend in August as France goes on holiday - the autoroutes south and to the coast will be chocker - Click Here - with very long queues forming at key toll plazas. (Last time I looked it wasn't possible to buy a Télépéage on line as a French bank account was needed, which can help with getting through the queues. - Click Here - ) And with the Assumption this year being on Mon 15th August, France will close from Friday evening on the 12th to Tuesday a.m. on the 16th. And I mean closed - the only fuel you're likely to find will be at a large Service Area on the Autoroute! |
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Thanks BigJohnD! I am really looking forward to that trip... who wouldn't want to do 12h drive through France with 3 bored girls at the back... no seriously, the comfort of the car should be a real plus here. Guess what... I am French... that doesn't necessarily make me any wiser when it comes to driving there... but at least I can swear in the dialect .My own tips to reach the South... if at all possible, avoid the weekends, we are lucky to have family in the North of France, so we leave the UK on a Friday eve, queue and swear in the (other) dialect at Dartford like everybody else, get across (tunnel) and then spend the weekend there, and leave it to the Monday before we hit the road... many lorries true but much less hassle than (too) many cars. and still... avoid Paris, prefer A26 to Reims, then A5, then A31, then A39, then A40, then A42... this works for me as then it is A43 A48 to Grenoble and off into the mountains. For the deeper South, it might be worth considering go through Massif Central there are some new motorways there, more miles but less traffic. Also I bought myself a TomTom live with the real time traffic thing, and it has got us away from trouble a few times, well worth its price, and the continued subscription to their HD traffic. Télépéage (well done on the accents!) could be an idea, they now do a "Balade" deal which means they don't charge you a standing charge the months you don't use them, the months you do, it is €1.50 per month. There is a one off €10 activation charge. All they seem to ask for is a credit card, and they let you enter a GB address if you want (post code 99999, put your real one in "Complément"). I haven't tried to go all the way with the subscription. If anyone has had a go, I'd like to know if it is worth doing. Oh and for the bored 3 girls... the trick is frequent breaks (3h drive max), dvd player and headphones  Still haven't found a cost effective way to avoid refuelling on the motorway though... maybe the C4GP range will help... |
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FrankBullitt
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sjamais wrote ... Still haven't found a cost effective way to avoid refuelling on the motorway though... maybe the C4GP range will help... Even French autoroute prices beat British (diesel) prices hands down! We are off to Normandy and will probably get there on one tank with ease but plan to have just enough to get down to Aberville (sp?) way! Thankfully, having a son who is two in a few weeks means we don't go during 'horrid August'...yet! |
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Joined: Jan 22 2007Location: Hoylake |
sjamais wrote ... Still haven't found a cost effective way to avoid refuelling on the motorway though... maybe the C4GP range will help... How far can you get on a tankful of Leclerc's best gasoil? I managed Calais to Bayonne (a little over 1,000km) on a tankful, so didn't need to fill up. I believe diesel in France is around the £1.15/litre mark at the moment And avoiding Paris is very good idea, and I've used the A26 via Reims and Troyes to the A5 myself - it's very good, with a couple of toll-free sections IIRC. |
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FrankBullitt, Abbeville is what you meant I guess, most certainly less than 1 tank away. Probably wise to plan your refuel location as the logical way to Normandy is motorway most of the way with diesel around €1.45-1.50, while it is more like €1.30-1.35 at supermarkets. BigJohnD Correct, about £1.15 at supermarkets, but more like £1.30 on the motorway network. In the grand scheme of things, not a massive difference per tank... I am really curious to see what the motorway economy will be, bearing in mind that the car has only 1000 miles on the clock, maybe the way back will be better... but both ways we will have to invest some diesel into aircon... Next time you're heading that way I really recommend the A39+A40+A42+A432 alternative to the good old A6+A46 around Lyon, there is no perfect way to getting south of Lyon from there, but you do miss a lot of queue potential by avoiding A6 altogether. |
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sjamais wrote ... Next time you're heading that way I really recommend the A39+A40+A42+A432 alternative to the good old A6+A46 around Lyon, there is no perfect way to getting south of Lyon from there, but you do miss a lot of queue potential by avoiding A6 altogether. On our last 3 visits to France/the Med, we have given Paris a wide berth, both to the east and west, then used the A75 via Millau - once going south, once going north and on last visit, along the Tarn and under the Viaduc! We're probably not going very far south next year as we'll be visiting friends in Finistère, and so far we've not done any planning, but there could well be a big detour via the orchards of Normandie and even the vineyards of Champagne! I hope you get good consumption figures for your journey - the hot weather will help. |
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BigJohnD wrote: but there could well be a big detour via the orchards of Normandie and even the vineyards of Champagne And does your headlining feature in this?!?  |
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2nd filling 464.6 miles with 42.77 l at the pump, so 49.3 mpg, the car has 1200 miles on the clock now, leaving the afternoon for our French treck. I could hqve only put what I needed to get to the first diesel pump on the French side, but thought I'd make most of my Tesco 5p off voucher and buy myself some piece of mind... Happy crèpes bretonnes, bubbly and calvados break ! |
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Joined: Jan 22 2007Location: Hoylake |
PentlandC4 wrote ... And does your headlining feature in this?!? Not this time - no more Champagne tasting in the car because it's raining in the Leclerc Supermarket's car park in Reims! |
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